[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> this administration currently has at least three scandals swirling around it. >> i certainly remember when african-american churches were targeted by the ir. >> try to keep information out in order to disguise what is goingon. >> seizing the phone records misleading the american people on benghazi. >> i don't know what happened. i simply don't know what happened at this stage with regard to the press' ability to gather information and to disseminate it.

>> a pattern by this administration in not taking responsibility for failures, avoiding blame. would you yes with agree with that? >> no. >> i reviewed the treasury department's wash watchdog report, i'm angry about it. >> mark: welcome to "the young turks." i'm here for cenk, and we have so much to talk about and a distinguished panel to do it. of course you know ana kasparian. it's great to have you weigh in on so much today. heather ankeny joins us today my regular co-host on "the edge." at www.edge.show.com. and jayar jackson. always on it and so much to be on today. i want to get to it. it's remarkable how these four days of scandal wrapped up to a big result. >> i reviewed the treasury

department's watchdog report, and the misconduct that it uncovered is inexcusable. it's inexcusable, and americans have a right to be angry about it, and i am angry about it. today secretary lew took the first step by requesting and accepting the acting commissioner of the irs because given the scandal surrounding this audit it's important to have new leadership. across the board everybody believes what reported is an outrage. the good news is that it's fixable. >> mark: well, he's right. there is outrage on both sides of the aisle. are you at all surprised ana by how quickly the administration took action. >> no, not at all. i believe you have to take action immediately especially when you're dealing with three scandals calling for impeachment, calling for eric holder to resign.

this is what ben mentioned yesterday. the best way obama can handle it is fire anyone who is involved in the scandal and say we're moving on. we're doing an investigation and whatever we can do fix the problem. >> mark: they really did get out in front of it in a sense not only calling for an investigation, but the firing. you feel as though they could have done a dance and kept the wolves at the door. >> it's amazing how quickly obama conceded to everything yes, this is wrong and i'm wondering if that's the right way to go. >> the way he's missing it is it's not going to work. this is something that you should do, and if the purpose is to get the heat off of you, it's not going to happen. that's not the opposition's objective. we know the politics of it. we want to get truth in there. well this is outrageous. how could you do something so partisan. we want this to be fix?

no, they don't. they want this to continue to happen. >> mark: the detractors will not be monthlified by this, and eric holder was being grilled today. >> i think that should not detract us from the nation asking a broader question, and that is about 501 c-4s. this is irrespect of your ideological bent it, left, right, conservative, lib ram republican democrat, the use of the tax code that it seems to have been used in these 501 c-4s is something that we need to ask ourselves about. and i hope what we're going to do in the criminal investigation is not going to have an chilling impact about asking that question about 501 c-4s. >> mark: what a guy. eric holder, what a couple of weeks he has had. i want to bring in michael

hastings, there is so much here. how do you view the way the administration is handling thus far? >> you said eric holder was a busy man. i think he needs a vacation, and i think that vacation should last three more years and however many days left in this administration. we haven't gotten to the ap scandal yet but in terms of the irs, again let's talk about the administration's damage control here. it's classic obama in the sense yes he's firing people, but the people they're firing are low-level guys who he doesn't have a personal relationship. eric holder, he's in the inner circle. he is very tight with obama so that's why he survived so long despite the fast and furious scandal and a number of other things. i think this, this is just embarrassing. when you have to go up and say i don't know about anything about anything repeatedly, you should be out of a job.

>> mark: that's exactly right. that seems to be his default position. this ap craziness really does seem to cut right to the bone. i'm wondering--you have sources at the white house and the highest levels of the military have you noticed a chilling effect at all? is it too early to say? >> ithus far you know, look, things are going okay. no, there is no doubt this is such a massive chilling affect on anyone dogmassive investigatory work. even for reporters. when people like myself make a phone call we could put season's career on the line. if you're from the white house or wherever, even if you there

wasn't a leak you get a reputation as someone who speaks to the press. this is a huge blow to press freedom. people have compared it to nixon. i would say it's worse. i don't say that flippantly. at least nixon's cronies knew they were breaking the law. they were the plumbers, they were going outside of the bounds to do what they needed to do to protect their guy. here we have the situation where the obama administration is using the department of justice use using the fbi to go after journalists doing their jobs in a legitimate fashion. >> michael, don't you find it odd that the media is now freaking out about freedom of the bless when at the same time the obama administration when the bush administration was invading our privacy and doing illegal wiretaps, no one was saying anything. there was news in the independent press but the mainstream media doesn't care about that. >> the mainstream media broke the wiretapping story. i'm not surprised.

the white house press corp are expletive idiots. i write about it in my book" panic." >> mark: they're in bed with the administration whatever side of the aisle ends up in the office. >> there are talented amazing reporters in the white house like jay capper, i could go down the list. i don't want to rat them out as being friends of mine. but i'm serious. i am not surprised that this occurred. look, there was outrage but there was outrage about surveillance on the media. but this is a direct ago on the associated press the most well respected journalist institution in probably western services. gandhi has a quote about the ap. if you get to the end of there and you have ap and obama is sending his goons through the

fbi. what the hell are they doing? sorry. >> you're upset. >> mark: you have deserved outrage. and by the way the talking points on benghazi released from the white house. it's interesting to watch as the white house slowly changes the story. but in itself it's just a way talking points have been changed. i don't see a huge--there are so many stuff to be legitimately outraged by i think in the case of these benghazi papers and talking points, i don't know if anything outrageous is going on. in the sense that they point to a change in talking points as a result of national security issues, for example and it seems like there might be some defensible high ground there but there is legitimate scandal around this white house that has nothing to do with benghazi. >> that's the point. now you're looking to fire someone, anyone, to try to cover your ass to see what you can do in this situation you have multiple things that are hitting

you right now as far as the administration. as we heard from john boehner today. he said i don't want to know who is resigning i want to know who is going to jail. you now set this precedent where you try to make the different points where benghazi is nothing. the irs yes we should deal with that, and the ap thing is outrageous. but for someone who works a 9:00-5:00, and hears what someone has been saying about the administration they need to be sweeping changes. that's all people actually hear. >> you can't make the assumption that people are going to dig deep in the story to find out what the details are. all they're going to see are the headlines and whatever it is the mainstream media is pushing out there. >> mark: do we have the lofgren stuff because that is to the point. again, on the--this is zoe lofgren and the grilling. go ahead. >> the regulations say these

records should not be obtained in a compulsory manner unless unless--and that there should be negotiation with the news media unless it would impair the negotiation. how could it ever be the case that the available ability of this investigation that would be impaired. >> this is an on going manner that i know nothing. >> mark: michael, he knows nothing. this is the problem the ap, go ahead, it's just absolutely absurd. >> no, just one larger point here. national security journalists are very very respectful, and american national security journalists are very respectful of national concerns. even in this case going to the white house. why do we do that?

why are national security journalists respectful. we believe in democracy, we believe there are compromises that one needs to make and there are these very sensitive issues. the government has to return the favor. even though you're investigating, we have to respect that principle. it has to be a give and take, which the next step after this, which we believe they're already doing, the next step after this, well look, if we can identify the reporters who are talking and these leaks are so sensitive they'll cost american lives why not monitor them actively? why wait until after the fact? you could narrow it down pretty easily. the reason is we have to believe that the free press would be there even if it causes makes headaches in the administration. >> mark: how would you look at

this, how would you handicap the way that might unfold? >> well, i think holder should resign over the ap scandal. i think the news media is not going to let this one go. the other thing we have going in our favor, the way this all got started there were two investigations at the obama administration launched in the middle of campaign season. the reason why they launched those investigation was to squelch concerns about the national security reported immediately. then they could say to any question, we can't answer these questions because there is an ongoing investigation, which they did. they kicked this investigation to after the election. now this newsbreak. what i'm saying the investigation still ongoing which means as a journalist that means we can still write stories about it every day. and somebody please someone in the white house press corp every day should be asking this question when is someone going to take accountability for what happened to ap, and did obama stand by what they did. that's the question, does obama stand by this?

does jay carney stand by this? >> mark: by the way, do you really think--you really think eric holder will even get close to resigning? i think he won't for all the reasons you noted in our earlier back and forth. >> yeah, you might be right. i'm starting to push that resigning. i'm not a partisan guy. look, when they came after holder for the fast and furious, i said no, this isn't holder. this isn't straight from the top. but here you have a station where he recused himself without putting any writing on clearly would be one of the most consequential decisions in this entire investigation that they were doing. so i think it's bad. i think it's corrupt. i think it smells, i think it's incompetent and i'll have to take a shower after this segment, again. this is disgusting. >> mark: if you take a shower after all the stink coming out of washington right now you'll be in the shower continuous. i could talk to you forever. great, great stuff.

michael hastings, regular contributor here on the turks. jodi arias gets the death penalty--yes. the details in the discussion with other legal experts next.

>> i would much rather die sooner than later. longevity runs in my family and i don't want to spend the rest of my natural life in this place. i apple pretty healthy i don't smoke, and i probably would live a long time. i said years ago i would get death than life, and that's still true. >> mark: seems like it's all about jodi, but this has entered a very intense stage of this trial. welcome back to the turks. ana kasparian is here, heather ankeny my co-host at "the edge

edge.com." this is a critical jumpsture. >> we had an hour and a half of deliberations and only an hour of testimony set up beautifully probably most poignantly. let's take a live. >> make sure that she killed him by stabbing him over and over and over again and then finishing him off by slicing his throat. it is also sure that during this vicious attack mr. alexander suffered. mr. alexander suffered pain every time that knife went into his body. every time that knife blade struck the back of his head, and when the blade went down to his throat it was certainly also extremely painful. >> that was juan martinez the prosecutor speaking there. while his words were excruciate

excruciatingly descriptive in terms of the pain, that's what all this is about the pain that travis alexander felt, one of the most amazing parts where he sat there in total silence for a period of two minutes and showed what two minutes of suffering feels like. and two minutes of dead silence in a courtroom is an unbelievably effective tool, and you could only hear the whimpering of the family crying there. >> mark: for those of uninitiated, he went there all of this, and replaying what happens and playing out those beats because he wants to send this to a death penalty phase. >> the first phase just to get this in a little law 101 the first phase did she do it, did she not? guilty. that was a week ago. then this phase is was there extreme cruelty. not just the regular kind of cruelty that would normally

happen. >> mark: that's what i'm saying, stabbing over and over, he's trying to show extreme cruelty. >> he had 27 stab wounds and then she shot him at the end. >> and showed additional photos than he did in the trial of his wounds and entry points and gruesome photos that no one had seen. >> the reminder of that pain and the description of juan martinez saying, the knife to the back of the throat showing what two minutes felt like, and describing that he lived. he had two minutes of life in pain comparable to a heart attack. they were trying to show that. trying to show that she knew of that extreme pain. then since the jury found that factor existed now they're going doing back tomorrow for the third phase the penalty phase showing that there is some mitigation some reason to spare her the death penalty.

there is no reason for the prosecution to make any arguments although i'm guessing we may here from hear from the alexander family. >> i know it's the prosecution's job to push for the death penalty, but is there something perverse? yeah, we should sentence her to death. >> it's going to be on the defense to say this is why she doesn't deserve the death penalty. i don't think you would hear the prosecution say you should fry her. it's a very hard argument to make. i think you're going to hear why she shouldn't have the death penalty from the defense. >> that's interesting. what do you guys think jayar? >> as we started with the sound of jodi saying she had would rather die than live because she has longevity in her family. it seems this was one of the issues that i have with the death penalty.

this this guy spoke and had two minutes of silence in the courtroom to show the level of pain he went through that's the way we do things. she gets the last stage of what she would like any way. it's not like she's going to go through the suffering. we have a revenge society. you butt this guy through this much pain for this long, you should get it, too. she's not. she should live and think about what she did and what she had been convicted of. it seems like-- >> do you believe she really doesn't want to die. >> i believe it's reverse psychology. >> i don't know if i think that or not. i also think that there is a part of me if i was in that position i wouldn't want to live either. but to your point that is so interesting is that there were so many spectators during trial cheering. >> there is a subculture in this trial.

heather is not a degreed lawyer but she co-hosts "the edge" with me. she's obsessed with it. i sense in your question, when i say obsessed i'm being a little funny, but i sense in your question that you don't buy her. >> i don't. i think it would be really manipulative that she was on the stand. the reason why they found her guilty was because of the lie after lie after lie i believe any way. i believe this is just another one of her ploys to win appeal, appeal, and be on tv and win "american idol" contest. >> which is sadly--i have to ask you, heather because of the follow up obsession. one of the things that i noticed today the numbers outside of the courtroom were diminished. you're talking about life and death. people are like, oh, i'm over it. now we're talking about life and

death, and nobody is there-- >> i feel like it's harder for people to stand outside there say fry fry, fry for what she said earlier. >> and all the salacious elements of the case are over. we know what the salacious elements are and when it comes to the important part of where someone's life is on the line, i think it's a little heavy. >> i don't think anybody wants to be accountable. >> how about an apology. that's not what we have heard. we've heard lots of great sex details and all kinds of sex positions, and all kinds-- >> she doesn't seem sorry. she murdered someone. you know what i mean? it doesn't seem like she's remorseful at all. she's sitting there nonchalantly. >> life, death, apology in a month, maybe not all of us, but people will forget, and they'll move on and get back to thinking about what they're doing on the weekend. it's happening right now for many people, but then even if

she gives an apology, even if she gets life, we're going to move on. her family, sure, they got to deal with this, and the victim's family. >> mark: if jodi jodi arias if you've past it, o.j. simpson is in court today. >> this is a moment we've all waited for. a lot of people are watching and secretly watching because you want to say that you've forgotten about and you don't care about o.j. yet so many people are tuned in. he testified that he took the stand-- >> mark: that's the big thing. he did something that we didn't see him do in the murder trial. >> this is him walking in through the courtroom. we got to see him walk with the shackles on and we got to see him take the stand today. >> the last ten years raising two kids in their teenage years get them in college i wasn't

going to chase any of this stuff. they have pictures of your daughter pictures of your mom and dad family albums of your mother, and that's when i got interested in trying to--that's what got my attention. >> mark: he can still bring it, can't he. >> not really. i couldn't help but roll my eyes. this guy wrote a book "if i killed her." i don't have any sympathy for him. he's trying to get his prison sentence taken away, whatever. >> mark: but it's funny he does this technicality, and it actually may play out in his favor. >> yes, people call this all week the hail mary motion. i'm embarrassed to say that i'm the one person out here you i do think if anyone listened to

the testimony like i did on monday, and heard cocounsel the one he's accusing of having this conflict of interest, gabriel gr asser said this offer was never communicated to o.j. simpson. this was one thing he could have taken and didn't take, if he didn't know about it that's a big problem. the question is do we believe o.j. and all the the lies. >> mark: as ana said his credibility is minimal. this is a legal technical and the public opinion it is what it is and it's not going to change. >> there are no jurors. just the judge. >> mark: that's certainly true. we don't text him like "american idol." i get it. it's like he's trying to win sympathy. >> there is a part of me that did forget that he's not guilty of kill two people in cold

blood, and it's similar to jodi, but there is this feeble old man up on there for a second, i'm like aahh. you know. >> well, people quickly forget. we have very short attention spans. >> mark: it's happened again in the military. yes, the very people charged with protecting women from sexual assault in the military are guilty of sexual assault themselves. yet another one. we'll talk about it next. [ ♪ music ♪ ] they think this world isn't big enough for the both of them. but we assure you - it is. bites. little greatness.

[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> mark: welcome back to the "the young turks." cenk is off. i'm mark thompson. ana kasparian is with us, heather ankeny, and of course jayar jackson. it has happened again. an ugly story out of the military. they're investigating gregory mcqueen, an educator who is supportsupposed to teach education

against sex ought beaus in the military. >> the unnamed suspect is a sergeant working out of fort hood texas just last week an airport colonel jeff pierzynski whose job was to run the sexual assault program in the airs charged for sexual battery. and chuck hagel reacting in frustration demanding that all each member of the military to be retaught and re-screened. >> mark: this is a documentary and there is a woman at the center of the documentary. >> this everywhere with me.

it gives the protection of jesus but sometimes you need more. >> five years for drugs and two weeks for rape. >> they got away with everything but murder. >> they received national of the year award. >> mark: those two clips, kori cioca, they tell me a couple of things. this is, indeed, an epidemic in the military, and they also tell me that the ones that we charge with doing is something about it are really actually sometimes the perpetrators. >> yes, that's correct. >> mark: and so your experience, having been the victim and your situation, if you could quickly bring the audience up to speed. you have had a long, tough struggle with this. your jaw was broken, you were physically sexually assaulted and you've been fighting

numerous injuries to have addressed for quite some time through the va. >> yes, i have. it's been a really hard struggle. the military was a great opportunity for me, and i loved my job and unfortunately it all ended because i was raped and sexually assaulted and my mother was filing congressional investigations to try to help me and they told me that i was causing more problems than they ended up discharging me without any medical at all. even treating the injuries that i had. and so i was left with nothing except for what had happened to me. >> mark: is this what happens kori, when these allegations are brought in in a formal way. you go to your supervisor and say this horrible thing happened. you bring the documents to bear, they call you a lawyer, and as a result you can be dishonorably discharged etc. is that the culture in the military in response to this kind of thing?

>> yes, it is. most of the people the perpetrators are friends with your command members because it is such a close knit unit. when you report a rape, it's easier to collect chain rather than saying we have a perpetrator in our ranks. people getting panicky i'm serving next to a perpetrator this was my best friend. it's easier to let them go and keep reoffending. >> question quickquick question, are there background checks or anything done to make sure the guys who are in charge of this actually don't assault women themselves and do something when women do come forward with incidents of rape? >> well, this clearly shows there is no background check but they'll literally let anyone educate on sexual assault. as a victim when you are raped or sexually assaulted you will

grasp to any kind of help or support. and here are these people wanting help when really they're going to be revictimmized by a perpetrator who is waiting to hurt them. it's like feeding the victim to another wolf. it's sick. >> how prevalent is this. you went through this horrendous trauma but at the same time did you witness women going through something similar to what you went there? >> no, not really because in the coast guard there are not a lot of females. every unit i was at i was the only female. i would be the only female in seven or eight men. but i do get quite a lot of e-mails from women who need help and know other women who have been sexual assaulted who need help. the numbers are raised to 26,000 so the perpetrators are flourishing. >> mark: to ana's point i want to show a clip from capitol

hill. these are two women talking about this. >> it's unacceptable. i want the military to be a place where women can succeed and thrive the way i was able to. the military leadership at this point shows that they're not capable of fixing this problem. >> this is not enough to say this is not something that we won't stand for and we'll hold these people accountable unless you're providing a system and a process by which to do that. >> mark: so you wonder to what extent they can overhaul the system, and the numbers are remarkable. i mean, you have the graphics, c-11. it's insane number. the pentagon released a new report on sexual assaults, and you can see this--these are the reported sexual assaults since since 2012. and so it's up 3,192 from the year before. but the people who have made anonymous claims is 19,000.

so i should say from 19,000 to 26,000. because of this culture in the military people are not coming forward with their names. they have only the complaint because of your experience right, kori? it seemed to be the culture of the military. >> you could lose your. >> mark: kori, i keep calling you kari. >> it's okay. victims lose their jobs and people turn against them. it's easier not to report it so you can continue your military career. >> is there something about the military career that you would like to continue? i mean i understand there is plenty to do with it, but if you think you can get beyond this and move on because there are that many benefits, but it seems deaf aggravating--devastating, the down side of what could

happen. that's number one. and then number two everyone that's doing it, do you find any solace in that. >> mark: is that credible at all? >> we've been hearing zero tolerance for quite some time, and nothing is ever done. at least they could say in in 26,000 tolerant. but it's not consistent. it's we'll retrain and pow point. it's not that helps people. you need to get the perpetrators completely out of the military. remove all military power from this and put it into a civilian unit that is non-biased, that can go in and clean house. >> mark: that is the revision you would like to see. you would like to see rather than the military handle this themselves, it has to be done apart from the military. >> definitely. the corruption is through the roof.

it's time for something else. >> mark: kori cioca your courageousness, your gavery is remarkable. who would have thought it would have to manifest itself this way in your bravery in serving the military. i appreciate you spending time with us on the young "the young turks." the documentary is "the invisible war: when we come back, angelina jolie yet another surgery, and some controversy surrounding it. we'll be right back.

>> the pink lotus center applauds angelina jolie full choices. >> she's so brave, and it will help so many women and i think it makes her sexier than ever. >> i want to commend angelina jolie. she's a beautiful brave and courageous woman. >> mark: well, another big day and angelina jolie is making news this week. she's already announceed that

double mastectomy, and now hermela aregawi is here to talk about the most recent announcement which we touched on after the announcement of her last decision. >> yes, it was reported that angelina jolie will have her ovaries removes to decrease her chance of over owe rare ovarian cancer. she has a high chance of ovarian cancer. her mother died at age 56 battling that same cancer. it makes sense that she would be back in the news. a lot of people praising her for her bravery and through that time i have to say it was a three-month process, and she was still doing they are charity work. she was still on the red carpet. there she is during that time,

and you would not know that she was going through something like this. so i want to open this up to the panel. do you guys think that this kind of praise is undue? are we making too much of her individual situation? >> well, i know someone who went through cancer. i spoke to her about it yesterday. she was diagnosed at the age of 30 with stage three cancer, it was very aggressive. she was very touched by this story. she loves that angelina jolie came forward with it because a lot of women do not know about this genetic mutation. for people who do have cancer in their immediate family maybe you should consider getting the testing. another thing that people learned aboutish there is only one company that does that genetic testing. there is a court case where the aclu is involved, and they're trying to change the patent that this one company has on the

gene. >> mark: the research, hermela, explain that. >> a lot of backlash is at angelina jolie herself but i think it's misdirected, and it's a broader anger as the rising cost of healthcare. this particular procedure she had done. it's very expensive. it can cost up to $4,000. i don't know if this is a fair criticism of this company because it is a long road to get a drug or any type of diagnostic test on the market. it took this company a long time to give you a sense of how hard it was for them to make money. the expense $500 million over 17 years before turning any sort of profit. >> mark: here it is. they're essentially pharmaceutical entrepreneurs corporate entrepreneurs make no mistake about it, but they're

having to invest with no return. it makes for the tougher question. you feel at the end of that you don't take away the incentive to take away the investment of medical. >> you can't monopolyize for genetic testing? >> i disagree a little bit. it took them 17 years to make a profit. their patent will run out and expire in 2014. at that point other people can get in on this, and also do the test for much cheaper but in order to get one company or to incentivize them to get to the road to get here you have to give them the patent. >> that's what the backlash with this story, angelina jolie and other people who have come forward who are more in the public eye is that they can afford to do this. you have people out there with breast cancer that have no shot, and they're fighting their insurance just to get something

covered. cosmetic reconstructive surgery isn't covered. i feel like what i'm hearing and reading are those who are frustrated. yes, that's fantastic. >> i do want to encourage people to call their own insurance providers. i did that today because i was curious as to what our insurance considered. we have really good insurance you guys should be happy to know. in the case of a diagnostic test if you do have an meet family member, a mother, who has had that kind of a cancer, genetic counseling is 100% free. if it's determined that you need the genetic test that is 100% covered by our insurance. as well as the reconstruction, that is covered, 90% that have is covered. so if you're talking about the case of $50,000, it's coming out of the $5,000. >> mark: that's well and good that it's covered, but one thing here, as this genetic testing is done more and more, you could

say, well, this as an insurance company, this is a pre-existing condition. we look at these genetic markers, and we can see that we don't want to sure this person for this because of this pre- pre-insured conditioning. >> you mean if you have the test done. >> mark: in the process of being screened for insurance. >> if you have pre-existing conditions you can't get individual insurance like you were just saying. does this then become a pre-condition. >> not to get too sidetracked but a story like this emphasizes the importance of the affordable care act. what thing that obama did was private insurance could no longer reject people based on pre-existing conditions. of course there are some things that

take longer to kick in than others. but we do have that protection based on the law that obama was able to pass. >> mark: this is something quite remarkable. >> i guess she's very privileged. she's not an every day person, but she's having people talk about something we don't normally talk about. i'm in my upward 20s, i don't think about breast cancer screenings, but i should. there are women who get it in their early 30s. >> mark: i'm in my upper 20's, too, and i don't throw it around too much, due courageous does apply here as well. i think she was courageous for coming out. thanks hermela, for talking about angelina jolie. when we come back, abercrombie and fitch say it ain't so.

[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> mark: on "the young turks." mark thompson here for cenk and

jayar jackson here with the story from abercrombie and fitch fitch. >> there are a lot of abercrombie and fitch that we're going to find out on this panel. but first let's hear about the things they're getting backlash for. >> that would make me never call anything from abercrombie and fitch. >> ally is the latest to weigh in on the controversy on the fact that the company does not sell women's clothes above a size ten. protesters outside of a store. bash lack on facebook, even youtube where one popular protester asked people to give their abercrombie and fitch to the homeless. abercrombie and fitch is not commenting but mike jeffries once told salon magazine that a lot of people don't belong in our clothes. they can't belong. are we exclusionary? absolutely. >> he has a business model.

>> we're not talking about the push to give clothing to the homeless people. you can reveal your background. >> you have a relationship? >> i opened the first colorado store back when i was a youngster, and this was happening even back then. i was naive to, but they did hire pretty much my entire high school to open it and they want only the attractive people. these tactics have been going on for a while. >> this is not going to make is change. is this going to make it not as cool or change the reputation of abercrombie and fitch by giving clothes to the hopeless people.

>> it might have an impact on parents because they decide on what they get for their kids to wear. >> mark: good point it's paid for by the parents. >> that's right. let me explain to you why it's uncool. >> mark: to retap this brand although it's a decent strategy, you got to say that. >> i actually feel like he's like reinforcing their strategy. >> i agree. >> oh, you don't like homeless people wearing it because it's uncool so then i'll give it to homeless people, which is proving their point, which i don't like. >> there has been a lot of call for exploiting the homeless people. here are the dregs of society and the worse looking people we can find to put in your clothes. >> i feel like criticizing him because i don't think that his intentions were bad but bad

point. >> speaking of intention. there was a man pimping out in a senior citizen. >> mark: a retirement center. >> his employees were inside and out. >> mark: his employees? >> the senior citizen center. this was a legitimate business, and we have a quick piece on it. >> the police arrested 75-year-old james and his fifth floor neighbor, 66-year-old sheryl, the couple used their apartment to sell crack cocaine to young people who lived outside of the complex. 75-year-old is also accused of providing prostitutes. the police say the prostitutes they weren't just young people from the neighborhood. they're some of the senior citizens who live here. the sex and drug use not only happened behind closed doors but chief arthur o'keefe said it was out in the open, in the common areas. in his 42 year career the police

chief has seen a lot but never this before. >> i'm certainly not old enough to say that i have seen everything. there is always another story. >> i believe it's about prostitution in general and the legality, but does it make it worse or better that we have this situation going on, and you have to imagine now what's going on. >> mark: the common area? thank you. of all things for me to imagine. >> i like how open they were about it. yeah we're doing something legal. we're going to do it in the common area. everything will be fine. >> i get the feeling that his employees weren't necessarily being forceed. >> we hear of horrific things happening to elderly in their homes and here in their twilight of their lives and in unlivable situations. >> mark: but apparently the situation within the community if you will, was getting pretty bad. in other words, that was

infecting, if you will, the general environment so it's not just as though they're having fun. >> his wife, when you have illegal activityies like this we swept over crack cocaine being sold. when you have illegal activity, more illegal activity is going to fall. >> that's why you should legalize it and regulate it. that's why it can be done under safe conditions and you don't spread disease snooze and you can have cocoons and have sex in the common area. great panel back with the final thought in a moment.

>> mark: thanks to heather heather ankeny and the new show she hosts with me, the age edge show.com. and "the young turks" on tonight, at "the young

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